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00:12
拉维·库马尔年代。
欢迎来到我们美丽的罗德岛普罗维登斯州的下一个版本的DrainBlazers。开拓者，因为大多数人都知道，关于个人在他们所居住的社区以及他们所代表的行业中对他们工作的组织产生重大影响。今天，我有一个我的朋友罗德岛社区学院总裁Megan Hughes博士。她是过去三个加上的CCRI总统，她一直在运行这个生态系统，是新英格兰最大的生态系统。22,000名学生和一个非常鼓舞人心的教育家。去年，CCRI在毕业率低得多的生态系统中有一个记录毕业率之一。社区院校的毕业率较低。你知道，我发现它非常鼓舞人心，因为在塔尔斯教学后，耶鲁和博士学位毕业。在纽约大学，她决定来服务一个社区学院生态系统。所以，谢谢你，梅根，今天加入我们在我们的开拓者版中。 Every time, I meet you what makes me learn so much from this, from speaking to you, is about the extraordinary opportunity community colleges have in this country. I am actually told 50% of the students in the US actually go to community colleges and the graduation rates are much lower because, you know, students leave, they come from underserved communities and in a society, they’re kind of doing this part-time. What gives you the confidence and what gives you the conviction that they could actually be the future of talent in a digital age we are all living in?
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02:16
梅根·休斯博士
谢谢你的问题，首先我想花一点时间把我们俩带回到我们第一次一起在一个房间里的时候，那是大约两年前，对你的一些听众来说，在我们的生活中有这样的时刻无论是在我们的职业生涯还是个人生活中你只需要记住并且以一种非常详细的方式记住它们。所以，如果我可以把场景设定在罗德岛的州议会大厦，那是一个夏日，州议会大厦内非常热。所以,所有的窗户都有一大堆的学术领导人来自州和很多雇主和你的团队和你的很大一部分来这里问自己,“这是你要把你的下一个标记下来,你要加入这个社区吗?“我记得当时一个相对较新的总统,你知道,我们在全面重新设计的非常早期的阶段,我们必须决定,把我们的资源,包括我的时间和我的资源和你站起来介绍后,我可以诚实地说,不到两分钟，我就知道我们的价值观是一致的，你对人才的看法也和我们的社区学院以及全国各地的社区学院完美地结合在了一起。所以，我真的想以纪念那个时刻开始并说声谢谢，好吗?
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03:38
拉维·库马尔年代。
非常感谢你的溢美之词。
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03:39.
梅根·休斯博士
所以，现在到你的问题。Now, if it wasn’t someone with your values and vision, that question I think is presented in a way that has some assumptions and those assumptions really are about can community college students really do this kind of work or are they just not sufficiently, you fill in the word, “motivated”, “intelligent”, “talented”, right? We hear those questions asked in a variety of ways and the way I would get at answering the question is the following: Community college students and graduates can absolutely join the kind of knowledge economy you and I are trying to create for them and why do we know that? I would say our lamentable graduation rates and those across the country; the fault isn’t theirs, it’s ours. So as a designer and someone who thinks about design, historically, community colleges were not designed to effectively serve the kind of student we serve today with some of the attributes you’ve named, right, part-time, low-income, first-generation, balancing families, balancing jobs and so when I came in to our college we had an embarrassing graduation rate and it had been stagnant for the last five years. [rk：这是真正的全国左右。]有一个伟大的新闻，但全国这些日子不是一个两个年份的速度，我们的三分之一是这个数字的三分之一。所以，我会分享的是，你知道，我们在早期，真的，改造，但我们在三年内能做的是，这是毕业率的三倍。所以我们已经从这5月的全国平均水平的三分之一开始，预测我们将以全国平均水平向右走，往往更好，我们只是继续继续。所以要回答这个问题，我们必须为今天提供的学生做好准备，并且需要完全重新设计，建立一个满足他们需求的计划，设计实际满足他们的需求和与像你这样的雇主建立合作伙伴关系的计划全部。所以，我认为我们正在举动，我们有办法，但我认为我们的学生证明了如果在他们面前有机会。
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05:48
拉维·库马尔年代。
太棒了，梅根，你知道我们正在进入一个高等教育的时代，我个人认为，高等教育是衡量一个人如何找到工作的标准。我们正在进入一个数字化的时代，与高等教育和持续学习相比，技能将成为真正的驱动力，终身学习几乎将成为数字化时代的一种美德。你认为这是社区大学的最佳位置吗因为你将摆脱这个，你知道的，接受高等教育的艰巨任务，找到一份真正关注技能的工作?
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06:31
梅根·休斯博士
No, I think... thank you for the question and I, in a word the answer is, yes, and I think the reason for that is, you know, acquiring the kind of as you say digital or technological skills that’s not a level playing field. So, you know Americans born into some privilege are always gonna get a richer shot at the beginning but that field is more level than others and why is that? So, you know this, our brains are all more or less exactly the same, the difference is in material right? So, if you as you are doing with this partnership you give our students access to technology and the training and sort of the wrap-around environment that comes with us, they can play just as well as students from more elite institutions. So, I think it’s a very opportunistic moment for us to sort of interrupt what this is.
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07:20
拉维·库马尔年代。
当然，我们现在对社区大学基础设施所做的任何破坏都将在数字时代显著扩大，我认为技能将优先于高等教育，实际上，我也听说白领和蓝领工作之间的界限正在模糊，从很多方面来说，我们称之为“新白领工作”。那么，帮我理解一下，抱负呢?如何提高愿望在社区学院,你知道,我们想实验,用这个数字经济抱负实验室,我个人认为大多数社区学院学生需要榜样在生活中找不到他们在他们的家庭,他们找不到他们的圈子里长大。你如何提高他们将来从事工作的期望?
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08:11
梅根·休斯博士
谢谢你的问题，我想我对你的提问有一个看法那就是我们的学生通常在他们的父母，祖父母和他们的家庭以及他们的邻居身上都有非凡的榜样在勇气，毅力和努力工作方面。你说得很对，他们缺少的是职业榜样。如果你想看毅力和努力,但是他们没有专业,我认为这个模型有什么前途,我们推出和印孚瑟斯,我们的学生之间的差异在历史上已经能够访问和学生来自更多精英或选择性机构像我,对吗?我的历史，我的耶鲁，我的纽约大学，我的罗德岛设计学院，我的塔夫茨大学，他们有什么?他们有社会货币，他们有社会信心，他们是怎么得到的呢?他们从经验学习和实习中获得。他们从导师那里得到这些，你知道，你爸爸的朋友，你妈妈的朋友，他们从这些渠道获得这些渠道，实习或其他经验会提供这些渠道。所以我认为你们所提供给我们的学生的东西是如此的颠覆性，如此的激进，如此的鼓舞人心，这是一种社会货币，对于我们的学生来说，这是非常具有挑战性的。
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拉维·库马尔年代。
And, do you see this a scaled experiment because I know that a lot of institutions and corporations are doing a little bit towards community colleges because it’s a good part of the narrative, but this is a chance for all of us to really bridge the digital divide, as I call it, you know, technology created a divide because technology was very exclusive. The digital future actually is a broader embrace and it’s going to kind of bridge the gap but, you know, what do institutions and corporations do to scale this, you know, everybody is doing small numbers?
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10:17
梅根·休斯博士
I think it’s a great question, and I think we’re gonna answer it together and hopefully bring some friends to the table that will help us get there, you know, I think about this question every day and I listen hard to people who I think are asking the bold question whether it’s in my space or whether it’s in the corporate space and I think for a minute about someone like Brian Moynihan, right? We know who he is. He has a workforce of 300,000 workers across the globe and a couple of things I think are true about what we’re seeing in a company like Bank of America. They know, as Infosys does, that you have a talent gap here in America and that if you continue to use the same traditional channels you’re not going to close the gap. So, I think what you and Brian and others are really looking at is, “Look there have been many sort of boutique programs, which ones are scalable and how do we take them to scale quickly?” I mean my aspiration for this lab is that we’re able to answer some of these questions together and very quickly take it to national scale. I think the good news for community colleges is, we know that American companies cannot access the talent they need that there is a shortage right now and we also know that we need to be as a group far more proactive, far more dynamic, listening far more carefully to employers about what your needs are, understanding that those needs are gonna change and adapt rapidly. I think if I strip it all away, I’II think about a conference I attended maybe three weeks ago at Brown and it had presidents from around the world, the President of the Sorbonne was there, for example. And, what struck me sitting in that room, honestly, so many advantages that those leaders and their institutions have over mine and over other community colleges in this country, right? Endowments that are literally ten thousand times the size of my own; incredible advantages. I do think a strength of community colleges, we know who our client is and those are our students and when they walk through our door they’re very, very clear about what they’re looking for, they know they’re looking for incredible learning and they’re looking to get a better job for themselves than they’ve had before. And, so, I don’t have any confusion about, you know, I think the title of the conference was something like “The role of higher education in the workforce space” I don’t have any confusion about that, we need to deliver what our clients who are our students are asking for and that is the kind of pathway you and I are talking about.
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中午12
拉维·库马尔年代。
绝对，我认为可以将机构带到生态系统中的工作队，我认为政府有一个角色扮演，公司有一个角色发挥作用，社区学院有一个角色扮演，但我认为他们融合了I think it’s going to be a wonderful way of really bridging that talent gap and every time I see this problem on hand I keep thinking, new technologies and digital technologies take away jobs of the past but they actually create significant jobs in the future and we don’t know how to fill them and here we have this huge talent pool which is under-tapped. So, help me understand this, how do you deal with the immense amount of resources the private colleges and actually in our public colleges as well have. How do you deal with that? Do you think there is something we should change on the funding of community colleges?
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13:56
梅根·休斯博士
你知道，在今天下午来找你之前，我们与参议员里德见面，他是来自罗德岛的高级参议员，他正在与我们谈论这个问题，你知道，我们如何作为一个国家驯养我们的集体作为美国人的角色，是为所有美国人创造教育机会，这就像愿景为50或60年前的诉讼费用？我认为这是一个正确的问题，我认为我们必须深思地了解机会主义的时刻是如何从联邦角度来看，以便在华盛顿真正得到一些牵引力。我不确定我们会看到通过联邦政府的大量新的美元。我能说的实际上是两件事：你和我都知道我们的州长，你知道，她表现出来[rk：她真是太棒了，她是我所知道的最好的州长之一)，她发起了一个免费项目，为所有罗得岛州的高中毕业生，谁直接注册我们的社区大学的学生。所以，她是一个例子，有人说我在为土地做赌注，你知道，高中文凭对她的祖父和我的祖父来说已经足够好了，但在这个知识经济时代它已经不够好了，对吧?新英格兰，我们真正需要的东西，所以她投入了她的资源，我可以轻松地说，随着毕业率的三倍，我们带来了很多因素，来创造那种快速的成绩提高。如果没有她对罗德岛州的承诺，我们不可能翻三番，所以，你知道，她正在全国各地积极争取其他州的支持。我确实认为现在是各州可以带头的时刻，想想你们问的问题，我们作为纳税人，为了创造一个强大的经济，为下一代做贡献的是什么?我想这是我的第一反应。第二个是我将以耶鲁为例，对吧?我将使用自己的历史、当前成本的耶鲁大学的本科专业是13倍的成本是一个社区学院学生和我们的国家和我们学院有很多原因这是真的,我们可以想象这些原因是什么。我认为对罗得岛州的居民来说，好消息是，考虑到社区学院，我们的学生可以用相对较小的投资做什么是非凡的。你可以从印度模式中了解到这一点。 I think people imagine who don’t really know our students, they imagine that the scope of the challenge is so intense and so vast that you can’t actually take it on but it’s just not true, you know, for our students a $500 annual book scholarship means they stay in that class, they do beautifully in that class, they get their degree and they’re on their way. So, I would want to… I have enormous optimism about what we can do with just a little bit more money and I think we’re going to get there.
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拉维·库马尔年代。
所以，让我问你最后一个问题，你知道你是我见面所有大学总统的一个鼓舞人心的教育家，你是少数人让我每次来看看你的谁。这是什么意思？您认为社区学院将为大型企业主导人才模型？
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17:14
梅根·休斯博士
我来回答这个问题，今天早上早些时候，我和12位总统坐过会。我是那个领域里唯一一个2年的代表。我认为引爆点的关键因素是成本，对吧?我听到一个总统的一所私立学校说如果教育一个学生和他的大学的成本增加的速度一直在增加在过去的五年里,这将是一个90000美元买一个家庭送,在美国,我们不能这样做,这是不可持续的,他是承认我们在毁灭之路。所以，我认为转折点已经开始了，当你有家庭，包括中产阶级家庭说，我在做数学题，我不知道我们如何使投资在这个价格点为我们的家庭回报。所以，你要从社区大学开始。我真正想看到的是，我想看到社区大学引领这一颠覆，我认为我们已经成熟了，你知道，我不认为我们有所谓的“类似的悬空”，压缩课程，更短的时间获得学位，以新的方式思考，我认为历史悠久的四年制学校将很难被颠覆。所以，我认为我们可以带路。我确实认为，作为一个国家，要想达到我们需要的目标，我们必须在这个对话中花上四年的时间来思考这个问题。
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18:43
拉维·库马尔年代。
所以，梅根，非常感谢你，你知道，这确实是社区学院成为数字时代主流人才库的适当时期。技能与高等教育有效，蓝领与白领工作之间的模糊线，与缩放大型人才池相关的重要机会。我认为这很棒，非常感谢你的合作伙伴关系。我真的很期待与您在实际设置一些新标准上，实际上希望很快就会到达倾向于倾向于倾向。再次感谢你。
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19:22
梅根·休斯博士
不客气谢谢你,拉维。很期待，谢谢。
